Skippy Is My Hero

Yeah, he’s balding, misanthropic, and caustic. And yes, he may have an unnatural obsession with Lindsay Lohan. And when I say unnatural, I say that with all the ideological fervor of a red-state fundamentalist who thinks the Taliban were too permissive.

But his political analysis is spot on.

Read here.

Why has the entire conservative world accepted, lock, stock, and barrel, the meme that the mainstream media is a liberal cabal seditiously slandering Republican candidates?

As Skippy shows in his post, the media is rather hostile to liberal candidates as well.

Hmmm. A press skeptical of government officials and candidates. The Republic is in peril!

Questions…

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader has started to write more on Christianity… But alas, due to your Maximum Leader’s busy schedule; lack of sleep has caught up to him. So nothing thoughtful tonight.

But before your Maximum Leader goes… He was following links and came across some questions answered by our much beloved Sadie. He enjoyed reading her responses…

There is more to blog about here… But your Maximum Leader can’t string together a cogent thought now…

Carry on.

Glad We Didn’t Send In The Cash.

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader would like to summon up the energy to rant on the subject of MLB move to Washington teeters on collapse.

But he can’t.

He would love to rain-down rants and vitriol upon the heads of Bud Selig and MLB owners for holding localities hostage to their own enrichment.

But he can’t.

He would love to laugh uproariously about the DC City Council who wouldn’t understand a good deal for the District of Columbia if it bit them on the arse.

But he can’t.

He would love to point out how MLB and the owners especially seem to do everything in their power to destroy every bit of enthusiasm a fan may have for the game.

But he can’t.

He would love to admonish the leaders of the District of Columbia for making deals they have no intention of living up to.

But he can’t.

Why can you Maximum Leader not summon up the strength to do all this ranting? Because in the end, Bud Selig, the MLB owners, and the District Government just aren’t work a warm bucket of piss. (To quote a famous Vice President from Texas.)

Move the Nationals to Vegas, baby!

Carry on.

Ag Post

We need more farmers ike this.

Folks who care about animal welfare, the environment, and helping family farms survive should support grass-baed dairying.

Miion Mailbag - Toads Edition

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader likes to give praise (and glinting medals) to people who he thinks deserve them. Of course, most of the time it is your Maximum Leader himself who is most deserving of praise and medals. But it seems as though we have to occasionally spread the wealth to our panjandrum, the Smallholder.

Just as Aristophanes had his great hit “Birds” so the Smallholder must have his great hit “Toads.”

Let your Maximum Leader dip into the Minion Mailbag to see what readers are saying… The Divine Minion Molly writes:

Smallholder outdid himself with his Toad Post. I was LOL! I had several male gay friends in college and would go with them to gay dance clubs. They have the best music and drinks! I thought I was soooo liberal and open minded until a woman asked me to dance. I almost fainted, but I did decline politely and said I was with a guy. I later saw her on the dance floor and waved. I was kind of flattered because she was really pretty.

Ah Molly… This reminds your Maximum Leader of a time when he was out with the Foreign Minister. There was a club called “The Machine” were he liked to go and dance with friends. As your Maximum Leader has said before, he is not a dancer. So while the others were dancing, your Maximum Leader was holding down the table. While sitting drinking his beer, a guy at the next table struck up idle conversation with your Maximum Leader. We talked sports, the weather, some local events. He asked if he could buy the next round for us. Your Maximum Leader gladly accepted. Then we drank and talked more. Then your Maximum Leader bought a round for us. (All this talk was intersperced with interruptions from dancing friends returning to the table.) Finally, the guy looked over at your Maximum Leader and said, “Hey, would you like to dance?” Your Maximum Leader said (not quite catching on), “With whom?” He replied, “With me.” Your Maximum Leader, the dim bulb brightening, said that he was quite flattered but that he was more interested in the waitress wearing the spandex bodysuit and using syringes to shoot Jagermister shooters down his throat. The guy was very cool with it. We kept talking throughout the night. At the end of the evening, when he saw that your Maximum Leader was leaving he shook hands and said that your Maximum Leader was “really cool about the whole dancing thing.”

Another loyal reader, Gordon (the Cranky Neocon) writes:

I just wanted you to know what I was doing at 11:00 last night. I was rubbing my two toad’s bellies listening for a peep. We live near a pond and “adopted” them last summer.

You’re seemingly random musing actually performed a great service. And shut up, I am not a geek!

Thank you!

Well Gordon, your Maximum Leader is very glad that the Smallholder’s homespun, down-on-the-farm wisdom made your day. Of course you didn’t say if you got the peep. We are dying to know.

And your Maximum Leader should take this opportunity to plug Gordon’s blog, Cranky Neocon. If you aren’t reading it every day, you should be. It is, as billed, your conservative funhouse.

Congrats Smallholder! Toads is a big hit. Hell, keep this up and you’ll be a veritable Baxter Black.

Carry on.

A Case for Wagner

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader, a great Wagnerian in his heart, commends to you Rachel’s latest “A Case for Wagner.”

Carry on.

NBA, Floor Seats, & Ludwig

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader was out late last night. And frankly he’ll be out late tonight and tomorrow night too. So, there may not be as much time to blog (and to research Christianity) as he’d hoped.

Last night you might have seen your Maximum Leader on TV if you were watching the Wizards v. Miami basketball game. Your Maximum Leader was mistaken about one thing though. He was not 4 rows behind the Miami bench. He was four rows from the court directly across from the Miami bench.

Let your Maximum Leader say that he isn’t much of an NBA fan. But one could certainly get used to seeing the games from those seats. Your Maximum Leader could hear the players talking to each other. He could see the eyes of the players and see what they were seeing. It was incredible. And allow your Maximum Leader to say this as well, Shaq is big. Really really big.

Another benefit of the good seats is that one was up close and personal when the “Wizards Dance Team” performed. Upon seeing the “Wizards Dance Team” two words jumped into your Maximum Leader’s brain. Skank. Ho. Your Maximum Leader was close enough to the dancers, and their “costumes” were tight enough that he was pretty sure he could see the scars from boob-jobs. (As well as the thong lines in spandex.)

Well… That seems to be a little graphic for first thing in the morning…

So in other news…

Ludwig Von Beethoven was born this day, December 16, in 1770. Happy Birthday Ludwig. You’re among your Maximum Leader’s favourites. He may even play a symphony or two today to celebrate.

Carry on.

Meme from Sadie & Housekeeping

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader is running very busy today and will not be able to make updates as he would like to today. First off, he will apologize to the Smallholder for the “appeal to authority” point this morning. The Smallholder was not really doing an appeal to authority. But your Maximum Leader still maintains that the inclusion of the Google numbers didn’t really advance any argument.

First off (subpart a), your Maximum Leader believes he does have a copy of “Science and Health” in his library. (Which also includes The Book of Mormon; the Bible (King James, New King James, New American, some Pre-Vatican 2 version, and the NIV); the Koran (two different translations); the Tao-Te-Ching (2 translations); the Analects of Confucious (2 translations); and a host of other pan-religious writings.) He will attempt to verify quotes for the Smallholder.

Secondly, to answer the Smallholder again… The award was given to this site by the sexy and mirthful Sadie. At who’s request your Maximum Leader now publishes this meme thingie (which was completed last night):

Three names you go by:

Your Maximum Leader
The Maximum Leader
Mike

Three screennames you have:
nakedvillainy
naked villain
yourmaximumleader

Three things you like about yourself:
Wit
Charm
Enormous genitals

Three things you hate/dislike about yourself:
pudgy belly
pudgy belly
pudgy belly

Three parts of your heritage:
Scottish
English
More Scottish

Three things that scare you:
Smallholder covered in cow dung
Smallholder covered in sheep dung
Smallholder

Three of your everyday essentials:

Tea
A radio
The internet

Three things you are wearing right now:
Nakedvillainy t-shirt
Sweatpants (black)
Gore-tex slippers from Lands End

Three of your favorite bands/artists (at the moment):
Cowboy Junkies
Tom Jones
Frank Sinatra

Three of your favorite songs at present:
Something More Besides You - Cowboy Junkies
Sexbomb - Tom Jones
It Came Upon a Midnight Clear - Frank Sinatra

Three new things you want to try in the next 12 months:
Arrange for a weekend trist with Sadie in Vegas
Arrange for a weekend trist with Anna in Napa
Arrange for a weekend trist with Minion Molly in Vail

Thre things you want in a relationship (love is a given):
Honesty
Mutual Respect
Great Sex

Two truths and a lie:
I am a smart guy.
I am a married guy.
I am going to try for weekend trists with Sadie, Anna, and Minion Molly.

Three physical things about the opposite sex (or same) that appeal to you:
Eyes
Butt
Boobs

Three things you just can’t do:
Ski
Climb mountains
Dance

Three of your favorite hobbies:
Reading
Blogging
Fishing

Three things you want to do really badly right now:

Have sex
Go to London
Win the lottery

Three careers you’re considering:
Evil Scientist
CEO of Evil Corporation
Maximum Leader of the Mike World Order

Three places you want to go on vacation:
London
Bombay
Sydney

Three kids names:
Angus
Andromache
Winston

Three things you want to do before you die:
Compose an Opera
See the Villainous progeny grow up and be happy
Nail Jennifer Love Hewitt

Your Maximum Leader hopes this makes Sadie happy. Now your Maximum Leader is going to jum into the Villainmobile and dash off to Washington DC for the Bullets/Orlando Magic game. If you happen to like the NBA and plan on watching the game, you might see your Maximum Leader sitting behind the Orlando Bench about 4 rows back. He considers this the “Chair-Throwing Fan Zone.” If you are wondering why your Maximum Leader will be there, it is to assure that Shaq and your Maximum Leader are on the same page as to his role in the MWO…

Carry on.

Awards?

I see that we have a new section on the sidebar. We appear to have won an award for “Most Naked Villains.”

Um, congratulations to us?

Has the Plan for the Mike World Order reached the stage in which we give each other medals?

If so, I hereby award myself “The Order of the Battle of the Cowshed.

A Question for Bill

The Maximum Leader has already linked to Bill’s part of our group ponder.

A question for Bill:

If your definition of Christian requires belief in good works for their own sake and not as a prerequisite for salvation, does this exclude Catholics who hold that you need faith AND good works?

I enjoyed Bill’s post. It took me back to Missourti Synod confirmtation class.

Mormons as Christians?

NOTE:
Some of the punctuation in the cut and paste sections below have morphed into odd characters due to our blogskin. I usually go through and retype punctuation, but I’m just not up to doing this much. If it annoys you, then don’t read any further.

The LDS church today explicitly includes itself in the Christian fold.

I’ll cut and paste below, excerpting from the LDS article:

Of course we are Christians. Why would anyone say otherwise? Here are the facts.

But there are sincere people out there who believe the Latter-day Saints aren’t Christians. In fact, the accusation that we are not Christians is probably the most commonly heard criticism of the LDS Church and its doctrines today.

Why would anyone say such a thing? Isn’t the name of our church The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Do we not worship Christ? Is not the Book of Mormon another testament of Jesus Christ? How could anyone seriously doubt that Latter-day Saints are Christians?

There are a number of arguments used supposedly to “prove” that we are not Christian. It is important to recognize that none of them have anything to do with whether or not Latter-day Saints believe in Jesus Christ. Rather, what they basically boil down to is this: Latter-day Saints are different from the other Christian churches. (We understand that these differences exist because traditional Christianity has wandered from the truth over the centuries, but other denominations see things otherwise.) Their arguments against the Latter-day Saints being
Christian generally fall into six basic categories:

Exclusion by special definition
1 What is a Christian?
…The term Christian may be defined in a number of ways, but the most common is “one who believes or professes… to believe in Jesus Christ and the truth as taught by him… one whose life is conformed to the doctrines of Christ.” The second most common meaning is “a member of a church or group professing Christian doctrine or belief.”
Under either of these two definitions, Latter-day Saints qualify as Christians.
…No one “owns” the term Christian or has the right to deny it to others who worship Jesus as the divine Son of God.

2 Exclusion by misrepresentation

3 Name calling has often been used in religious controversies. At one time, Catholics called Protestants “heretics,” and Protestants called Catholics “papists.” But this sort of tactic amounts to nothing more than saying, “Boo for your religion, and hurrah for mine.”

The negative term most frequently flung at the LDS is “cult,” a term which can suggest images of pagan priests and rituals. But the truth is there is no objective distinction by which a cult may be distinguished from a religion. Use of the term cult does not tell us what a religion is, only how it is regarded by the person using the term. It simply means “a religion I don’t like.”

4 Exclusion by tradition (Smallholder has left this section intact because, gosh darn it, it is interesting)

It is sometimes argued that to be truly Christian, modern churches must accept both biblical Christianity and the traditional Christianity of later history. In other words, one must accept not just biblical doctrines, but also the centuries of historical developmentv=the councils, creeds, customs, theologians, and philosophersv=that came along after New Testament times. Since the Latter-day Saints do not accept doctrines originating in the early Church after the death of the apostles and prophets, we are accused of not being v¨historicalvÆ or v¨traditionalvÆ Christians.
In fact, we believe that revelation to the early Church stopped because of the death of the Apostles and the growing apostasy, or falling away, from the truth. In the absence of Apostles, the church eventually turned to councils of philosophers and theologians, for guidance. These councils, after lengthy debates, in turn interpreted the gospel according to their best understanding. Often they drew upon the philosophies of respected men (like Plato), concluding, for example, that God has no body or physical nature; or that the three separate persons of the Godheadv=the Father, Son, and Holy Ghostv=are only one being. The declarations of these councils are still generally accepted today by traditional Christian churches as official doctrines. Yet these creeds were formulated centuries after the deaths of the Apostles and the close of the New Testament.
Were the Twelve Apostles Christians? Of course. But if it were true that one must accept the whole package of historical Christianity in order to be a Christian, then it would be impossible for early Christians, including Jesus and his disciples, to qualifyv=since they lived centuries before these traditions came to be. On the other hand, if the New Testament Saints can be considered Christians without accepting all the traditions of men that came later, then so can the Latter-day Saints, and the historical exclusion is invalid.

5 The canonical or biblical exclusion (This section intact too. It does a good job of demolishing my earlier appelation of “post-Christian” to groups that have additonal sources of revelation)

The term v¨canon of scripturevÆ refers to the collection of books accepted by any group as the authoritative word of God. For most Christians the canon of scripture is limited to the Bible. But Latter-day Saints have a larger canon of scripture that includes the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. The canonical exclusion, in its simplest form, says that since Latter-day Saints have books of scripture in addition to the v¨traditionalvÆ Christian Bible, they cannot be Christians.
One of the problems with this canonical exclusion lies in the assumption that there is only one v¨traditionalvÆ Christian Bible. Over the centuries, there have been a number of different versions of the Bible, and many Christian churches and individuals have disagreed about which books should be included. Even today, the Bible used by Catholics contains a number of different books than the Bible used by Protestants. Yet Catholics and Protestants continue to call each other Christiansv=even though they have different canons of scripture.
When revelation stopped after the death of the early Apostles, people were forced to draw one of two conclusions: (1) either revelation had stopped because God had already said everything they would ever need, or (2) revelation had stopped because the church lacked apostles and prophets to speak for him. Traditional Christians accept the first explanation; Latter-day Saints accept the second.
Sometimes critics cite Revelation 22:18v±19 [Rev. 22:18v±19] as evidence that the Bible forbids adding to or taking away from the canon of scripture. In these verses, John curses those who would add to or take away from v¨this book.vÆ But when John wrote Revelation, the Bible in its present form did not yet exist. He was simply referring to his own book, the Book of Revelation, rather than to the whole Bible.
The truth is that prophets have usually added to the scripturesv=almost all the biblical apostles and prophets did this. There is, in fact, no biblical statement whatever closing the canon of scripture or prohibiting additional revelation or additional scripture after the New Testament.
Some non-LDS Christians believe that the Bible contains all religious truth. However, the Bible itself says nothing of the sort. The word Bible never appears in the Biblev=for the Bible never refers to itself. Thus all these claims about the Bible are unbiblical. The Bible itself never claims to be perfect, never claims to be sufficient for salvation, and never claims to grant its readers authority to speak or act for God. Rather, such claims are made by those who have lost priesthood authority and have lost direct revelation and, instead of trying to find them again, are trying desperately to maintain that their loss doesnv t matter.

6 The doctrinal exclusion (The Maximum Leader’s focus on the Trinity here)

This type of argument claims that since the Latter-day Saints do not always interpret the Bible as other Christians do, we must not be Christians. But, in fact, other denominations also differ among themselves doctrinally, and it is unreasonable to demand that Latter-day Saints conform to a single standard of v¨ChristianvÆ doctrine when no such single standard exists.
For example, the Latter-day Saints are accused of worshiping a v¨different godvÆ because we do not believe in the traditional Trinity. v¨We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy GhostvÆ (A of F 1:1) as taught in the New Testament. What Latter-day Saints do not believe is the non-Biblical doctrine formulated by the councils of Nicaea (A.D. 325) and Chalcedon (A.D. 451) centuries after the time of Jesusv=the doctrine that God is three coequal persons in one substance or essence. We do not believe it because it is not scriptural. As Harperv s Bible Dictionary states: v¨The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.vÆ
Jesus didnv t teach the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity. The New Testament writers didnv t have any idea of it. The doctrine itself wasnv t invented until centuries later. So one canv t say the Latter-day Saints are not true Christians for not accepting it, unless one also excludes Jesus, his disciples, and the New Testament Church, who similarly did not know or teach it.
Latter-day Saints do believe that God the Father has a physical body. This view is attacked as v¨non-ChristianvÆ by critics who often cite John 4:24, which states in the King James version that v¨God is a spirit.vÆ However, since there is no indefinite article (a, or an) in the Greek language from which this verse is translated, the consensus among biblical scholars is that there should not be an indefinite article at John 4:24. It should simply read v¨God is spirit.vÆ In other words, this scripture does not limit God to being only a spirit, but merely includes spirit as one of his attributes. After all, we also read that v¨God is lightvÆ (1 Jn. 1:5) and v¨God is lovevÆ (1 Jn. 4:8), and yet no one interprets these verses to mean that God is only light, or God is only love. Certainly, the member of the Godhead called the Holy Ghost is spirit, but that fact tells us nothing about whether or not God the Father has a physical body.
Finally, quite often we hear that Latter-day Saints are not Christians because true Christians believe in salvation by grace, while the Latter-day Saints believe in salvation through our own good works. But this is a misunderstanding. Yes, Latter-day Saints do believe we must serve God with all our v¨heart, might, mind, and strengthvÆ (D&C 4:2). But the Book of Mormon makes perfectly clear that it is impossible for us to completely earn or deserve our blessings from God (Mosiah 2:21, 24); that redemption can never come through individual effort alone, but only through the Atonement of Jesus Christ (2 Ne. 2:3, 5v±8); and thatv=after all we can do (Alma 24:11)v=we are saved by grace (2 Ne. 10:24; 2 Ne. 25:23).

Conclusion
We have discussed arguments some people use for claiming that Latter-day Saints are not Christians. Notice that not one of these addresses the question of whether we accept Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God and Savior. Our critics donv t address thisv=the only issue that really mattersv=for the LDS position here is an unassailable matter of record. Our first article of faith [A of F 1:1] declares our belief in Jesus Christ. We meet every Sunday and partake of the sacrament to renew our faith in and our commitment to Him as the Son of God and the Savior of the world.
…Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern prophets and apostles. Though all the world may say that Latter-day Saints do not know or love or worship Jesus Christ, the truth is that we do. If this is not enough to be counted as Christian, then that word has lost its meaning.

“Science and Health” Divinely Inspired and Superseding the Bible?

Baker certainly claimed to be the final prophet who had the complete, inerrant truth that would correct the mistakes people had made in the writing and interpretation of the Bible:

“In the year 1866, 1 discovered the Christ Science or divine laws of Life, Truth, and Love and named my discovery Christian Science. God has been graciously preparing me during many years for the reception of this final revelation of the absolute divine Principle of scientific mental healing” (Science and Health, 107:1-6).

“I should blush to write of “Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures” as I have, were it of human origin, and were I, apart from God, its author. But, as I was only a scribe echoing the harmonies of heaven in divine metaphysics, I cannot be super-modest in my estimate of the Christian Science textbook. ”

“The material record of the Bible,. . is no more important to our well-being than the history of Europe and America” (Mary Baker Eddy, Miscellaneous Writings, 1833-1896, p. 170:19-21).”

“The decisions by vote f Church Councils as to what should and should not be considered Holy Writ; the manifest mistakes in the ancient versions; the thirty thousand different readings in the Old Testament, and the three hundred thousand in the New,–these facts show how a mortal and material sense stole into the divine record, with its own hue darkening to some extent the inspired pages” (Science and Health, 139:15-22).

The last two quotes seem to show the fallibility of the Bible. Which is why, according to Eddy, her writings are necessary for the attainment of:

“vñ. The revealed Truth uncontaminated by human hypothesis” (Science and Health, 457:1-2).

The more I read, the more I am reminded of Mohammed; he accepted, as does Eddy, that the Bible was divinely inspired but corrupted by the men who wrote it and passed it down. Mohammed claimed that he was the final, inerrant message from God who had come to correct the earlier prophets whose message had been misunderstood.

Mark Twain picked up on this particular claim to authority in his “Christian Science” book.

CAVEAT: I do not have a physical copy of “Science and Health” sitting here before me. The quotes are from online sources, so I cannot vouch for their accuracy. If the Maximum Leader has a copy at hand in his magnificent reference library, would he be so kind as to check the authenticity of these quotes?

Several internet sites (though perhaps unreliable because they exist in order to label Christian Sciene a cult) also claim that, in Eddy’s philosophy, “Christ” represents the Truth of God, not Jesus. They did not back up this claim with any quotes other than:

Christ is the ideal truth that comes to heal sickness and sin through Christian Science, and attributes all power to God. Jesus is the name of the man who, more than all other men, has presented Christ, the true idea of God … Jesus is the human man, and Christ is the divine idea; hence the duality of Jesus the Christ” (Science and Health, 473:9-16)

Well, if Jesus was human and his message of the truth was errant and needed to be correct by Eddy, does that make Eddy are more reliable conduit to “the Christ?”

This quote, if authentic, seems key to our discussion. Would some minion with a hard copy of the book PLEASE check to see if it is accurate or taken out of context?

Perhaps we are arguing about definitions of the word Christ with which Eddy would not agree.

Appeal to Authority

The Minister of Agriculture begs the Maximum Leader to reread his post. There is no appeal to authority; I simply, and explicitly stated that it shows that a proportion of the Christian world does not view these groups as Christian. The google links were to allow people to skim down the various objections made by those groups.

Really, Mike. We may often disagree, but have you ever seen me make a blatant appeal to authoirty without further discussion.

More on Christians & Christianity

Greetings, loyal minions. Your Maximum Leader still has some comments to make on the whole “Christian” discussion that is going on here, and elsewhere. By “elsewhere” your Maximum Leader means specificially the insightful comments by Bill on his blog Bill’s Comments. You should click through and read his thoughts on this discussion.

Your Maximum Leader wants to get a quick jab in first thing this morning. First off, he is disappointed in the Smallholder’s use of Google hits to try to “prove” his claim of non-major sects not really being Christians. A Google of “roman catholic” + cult gets you 137,000 matches; and presbyterian + cult gets you 65,00 matches; “presbyterian church” + cult gets you 21,300 matches; and so on… Your Maximum Leader’s disappointment is mainly in the claim to false authority, namely that googling terms can make an authoritative case for or against anything.

Now the Smallholder may still have a perfectly valid point here. Namely that the non-trinitarian churches listed may not be “Christian” churches. One can make a persuasive case for the Mormons not being “Christian” in the traditional sense. As the Smallholder points out, their holy texts supercede the Biblical stories that are the foundation of other “mainstream” Christian churches.

But this may not apply to other groups under discussion. For the Christian Scientists, “Science & Health” is not concedered to supercede the Bible; it is believed to be a “key” to understand the meaning of Bible. Your Maximum Leader is unaware of any Jehovah’s Witness’ texts that hold a status equal to or superior to the Bible. And the Smallholder didn’t mention the Congregationalists.

The Congregationalists are the modern decendents of the Puritan settlers of New England. They deny the Trinity but accept Jesus, and his teachings as the key to salvation. This would be the same argument your Maximum Leader would use to counter the proposition that Jews and Muslims could also be considered “Christians” by use of the broader (dictionary if you will) definition of “Christian.” Jews and Muslims do not accept Jesus as the final word in salvation. Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Congregationalists, member of the United Church of Christ, and Quakers (to name a few) do; they just reject the divinity of Jesus.

Your Maximum Leader will concede that denying a core tenet of a Christian religious order may make you a bad member of that order doctrinally. But does it also exclude you from the ranks of “Christians?”

Carry on.

College Philosophy

Many moons ago, the Maximum Leader and I reminisced about the “booty curve,” an adaptation of the supply/demand concept to a subject about which we, being adolescents, were much more excited.

Evidently we were not the only college students to (mis)apply our fancy book larnin’ to what we really wanted to study.

I give you, ladies and gentlemen, Steve the Llamabutcher.

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